Kevin Smith enters, tossing a
cigarette carton on the table and lighting up even
before sitting down.
PRESS: Did you have fun
making this film?
KS: The funniest aspect was constantly
turning to the audience and saying, "Are you still
watching this movie?" Actually, at one point in the
movie we were going to stop it cold and invite in
Roger Ebert and Janet Maslin to actually review the
movie thus far. It was too precious, I thought, so we
never wound up doing it. It's a weird movie, Oh God,
it's just me blowing myself for 90 minutes. It's a
real big self-homage. But it seems to work; the
audience seems to dig it.
PRESS: What's with
Jay?
KS: Jay is a creature of the id. His brain
has no filter. His character just says whatever's on
his mind, what there is of his mind. He has no moral
barometer ...just says what he says without thinking
of the repercussions. And I'm there to roll my
eyes.
This is probably our least mature film to date,
I'm kind of proud of that. We made two back to back
that dealt with weightier subjects, though they did
have d*ck jokes in 'em too. So it was nice to make a
film that had no weighty subject matter to it
whatsoever. Even the satire is below the belt. I'm
very proud of the Internet stuff that's in the movie,
like going after f*cking armchair directors on the
Internet and still even that is low-blow stuff --
it's not very sharp stuff. And I get to beat the sh*t
out of children.
After what happen on "Dogma," 400,000 pieces
of hate mail and death threats and not being able to
open our own mail for six months. I really wanted to
make a movie where the worst thing that could happen
at the end of the day is that somebody would write on
the website "Kevin Smith sucks c*ck" and spell "c*ck"
wrong.
(Laughs all around)
On "Dogma"
it was just such a trial from when we stopped
production until when the movie came out. We had to
deal with the religious controversy, the catholic
league drumming all that brew-ha-ha about the movie.
It was so full of that nonsense. So it was nice to
make a movie with no controversy ...just puttin' out
a bunch of laughs.
PRESS: How was the hate mail
directed?
KS: It was from hard-core Christians. Most
of the hard-core threats were centered on Harvey and
Bob. I was Catholic so I got a lot of "You should
know better and you'll burn in hell" that kind of
thing. But they went after Harvey and Bob for being
Jews, "This movie's just another piece of the ongoing
Jewish conspiracy." There was a piece I'll never
forget, the one I'll take to my grave said, "You Jews
better take that money you stole from us and start
investing in [bullet-proof] jackets 'cause we're
coming in there with shotguns, [signed] your brothers
in Christ." Then having to explain to Harvey and Bob
that not all Christians are like that. I'm like,
"dude, I have no grudge that you guys supposedly
killed Christ, we needed a savior and you guys did
the job for us.
(Lots of laughs.)
I'm not a part of this group, I seem to remember
something about Christ saying about not hurting
others, these people seem to have missed that chapter
in the book."
PRESS: How'd you get away
with bashing Miramax?
KS: I think it was payback. "Remember that
movie [Dogma]
Roger dropped? this is what you have to do to make up
for that." And they were cool with it. They were fine
with the jokes, I think their philosophy was "Look,
as long as anyone's going to make fun of us ... may
as well be one of our own."
PRESS: With all the
references and characters from earlier films, is the
humor of "Jay and Bob" too inside?
KS: I don't know... and at the end of the
day, I don't care. I just want to make this movie and
if people are with it they're with it and if they're
not they're not. And I think we have enough of a fan
base to guarantee your investment back.
Interestingly, we had a test screening, had very few
of our fans, and it played just as well as the first
that had more of our fans. It holds. They'll sit
there and laugh when Ben Affleck goes, "Nights like
this I miss dating a lesbian." An audience that has
seen "Chasing Amy" will laugh very hard, but the
audience that hasn't seen it will just think it's a
weird line out of nowhere. The other fear was, the
movie would have too much industry jargon, but that
sh*t plays like gold. Like the "She's all that joke"
played f*cking huge in two suburban audiences. I
looked over at Bob and he never thought that would
work. He's like, "That's your opinion, that 'She's All That' is
where Miramax went to hell." I look at the screening
and the audience is laughing, "see they f*cking know
too, we all f*cking know."
PRESS: Working with Mark
Hamill?
KS: I was never really a big Luke Skywalker
fan, I was more a Darth Vader guy, that's why it was
cool to fight him [Mark Hamill].
PRESS: Which are your best
films?
KS: "Amy's" probably my best, "Dogma" was a bit
over-ambitious, I missed the target, but hit the
tree. Don't get me wrong, I'm still proud of it.
PRESS: Is this the end of the
Silent Bob era?
KS: If there ever was a Silent Bob era,
this is the end of it.
PRESS: What's next?
KS: A little meditation on fatherhood.
Because I am now a father. I can't make sh*t up, I
just talk about sh*t that happens all the time.
PRESS: Did the MPAA give you
any problems over the language when rating?
KS: We won our argument on "Clerks," it's all
dialogue, we don't show anything, there's no nudity,
nobody getting raped.
PRESS: No nudity?
KS: None. Some people were like... "You
wanna put some t*ts in the movie?" I'm like "Why?"
They're like, "Because it's a teen comedy." I said,
"No. One: It's not a teen comedy. No. Two: Why are
t*ts gonna help the movie? What does it say about me
as a filmmaker if t*ts is what I need to save the
movie. I don't want t*ts in my movie distracting from
jokes. I don't want to complete with a set of t*ts -
I can't."
Mark Hamill enters with flare, a big smile and
high energy. He tells stories with fervor, nudging
and grabbing those sitting in proximity (yours truly
included). (He amuses us with a hauntingly accurate
Harrison Ford impersonation.)
PRESS: How many offers do you
get to 'send up' the Luke Skywalker
character?
MH: With an alarming frequency actually, I
probably should avoid those, because it's so hard to
judge in advance how it's all going to come together.
I recall when Mel Brooks was getting "Space Balls"
together ... I knew he was going to call and I love
Mel Brooks so much I was kind of surprised that he
didn't.
You have to be very careful, when you're involved
in something that's of cult status. It's from the
people it comes; it's nothing you can manufacture. I
love the fans, but the questions these people have
...!!! 'Your father was a navigator when he made the
castle run did he ever stop by the university where
Chewy went to college?" It's astonishing and I should
know better, I have certain elements of my life that
I obsess on. I mean, take the Beatles, comicbooks,
cartoons etc.
PRESS: Any advice for your
fans?
MH: I must be the king of bad advice,
because when George said he was going to re-release
the STAR WARS series, I said, "Don't just put glitter
and stars on the old ones, make news ones! You got
'em all on video tape -- we've seen them a million
times." And of course, I was wrong, everyone wanted
to see them again.
Also, Arnold Schwarzenegger once asked for advice
and I said, "Really? Try and lose your accent because
it's going to be a hindrance rather than a help. And
your name is absolutely unpronounceable. I'm just
being nice. I mean, ... please." Cut to three years
later, I'm, you know, at the unemployment office
reading about Arnold getting 600 million for his next
movie.
Everyone's walking on marshmallows around George.
And George is such a regular fun guy. He almost has
to be rescued and deprogrammed, because he's so
insulated in Skywalker Ranch surrounded by people
that, you know, think of him as some sort of deity.
But that's not healthy though, because you're not out
with the real people and you don't have the pulse of
what's going on.
PRESS: But don't people think
of you as a deity/hero in a way?
MH: Oh please, I'm no hero, I wish I was
... I don't even like to fly.
Jason Lee moseys in, pointing at the ashtray,
JL: "Kevin was here."
PRESS: How was working on
"Jay and Bob" compared to earlier Kev films?
JL: The veterans were kind of being taken
over by all these new people that had never worked
with him. I came in for one day as Banky and one day
as Brody and I'm seeing all these new actors and
actresses that have never worked with Kevin and it
was weird. Wow, there's a new generation of Kevin
actors. I did four movies with him, I did my first
with him when I was 24, now I'm 31. Kevin did a good
job of making me feel comfortable because it was my
first movie. So I walked away feeling empowered, he
was very encouraging.
PRESS: How is improvising
with Kevin?
JL: No, no improvising at all. "Amy" we had
a month, like rehearsing it for a play, that's why is
smooth and has a very specific pace, that's because
it's very well rehearsed.
PRESS: Any other particular
directors you enjoy working with?
JL: I want to do more with Kevin and
Cameron.
PRESS: Any differences
between working with Kevin or Cameron?
JL: More similarities than differences.
Writer/directors are the most easy going, relaxed,
confident people I've worked with. I think they're
the best. Also, they both love dialogue.
PRESS: You're next
project?
JL: A Tom Green film, it's a very
intelligent, well-directed comedy.
RA: are you saying "Freddy Got Fingered"
wasn't?
JL: No, I didn't see it.
RA: I'm kidding.
PRESS: And what about
"Vanilla Sky?"
JL: I play a writer living in NY, best
friends with Tom Cruise's character. He had a lot to
carry and he did an amazing job.
PRESS: It was "Mallrats" that
triggered your career change from skateboarding ...
yes?
JL: "Mallrats was great timing, because I
was slowing down as a skateboarder."
Jason perks up and seems most excited when talking
about skateboarding; then Shannon finds her seat,
fidgeting with the tip of her water bottle. She's
every bit as beautiful in person. Her fiance and dog
wait out in the hall.
RA: What was the one thing
you put into the film that Kevin hadn't?
SE: He let me go blonde and cut bangs, and
since the character's Justice, you know Justice is
blind, so I asked, "Can I wear glasses?" and Kev's
like "Oh yeah, but they have to be big and nerdy." I
asked if we could put a tattoo on my ankle, so we did
the scales of Justice. We talked about what she saw
in Jay and what her struggles were.
PRESS: So what did your
character see in Jay?
SE: As much as he would say crude things to
other people, everything he said came from a sweet
place. He was never being evil. So she saw his
innocence and naiveté. "Oh he just doesn't know
any better ... that's so sweet" That's kind of what
you see in him in real life, he's a real sweet
person, he's got a good heart.
PRESS: Would you, in real
life, be attracted to someone like Jay?
SE: No.
(Laughs all around)
PRESS: What kind of guy do
you go for?
SE: Has ambition and goals and knows what
they want and not just stands outside convenient
stores hanging out all day.
PRESS: How was working with
Kev?
SE: Kevin, being the writer was great, if
something wasn't working he'd come up with something
else.
PRESS: How about
improvising?
SE: It's something you don't want to do too
much of in front of the writer. If we had ideas of
changes, he was always cool with that. If anything,
Will Ferrell would have quite a few lines.
PRESS: What do you do in your
down time?
SE: Well, I have my charity that I run ...
"Animal Avengers." It's an animal rescue, get them
into good homes. Check it at website: ShannonElizabeth.com.
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