Steve James ("Hoop Dreams," "Stevie") shuffles
unassumingly into the hotel room as if out of the
film "Stevie."
He's just as modest, but perhaps more willing to
speak given the appropriateness of the situation.
With six or seven journalists in the room, at one
point a cassette recorder clicks at the end of the
reel. Steve stops mid sentence, and waits for the
journalist to reload the recorder before continuing.
I guess old habits die-hard.
SJ: I never set out to be in the film. I
expected I might be in it a little bit in the
beginning. But then I expected to step off screen,
but when this crime happened and he was charged. I
really felt myself being drawn into it, forget the
film, if I was down there and was going to be in his
life again ... I got drawn into it. ... We
tried to keep it as honest as we could which is
uncomfortable and it also gives the audience
ammunition to feel all kinds of conflicting feelings
about me ... not just other subjects in the film. But
that was a risk I think was important to take.
RA: You've got a lot of
wonderful honesty that would be difficult for people
to say in private and here they are saying in public.
What was their motivation for opening up? Did they
think that maybe this film in some way would help
them out in their situation?
SJ: That kind of intimacy comes from trust.
The subjects have to trust you as a filmmaker. They
have to believe that you like them, that you have
compassion for them. That you're not just there to
vilify them. I believe that you don't make films
about people that you just intend to vilify... I
think also being in a film like this for the subject
can be somewhat therapeutic, because you're
expressing an interest in their lives.... People have
some sense that what they've gone through in life has
some relevance and importance. That's what you're
telling them. So it can be a therapeutic experience
for them. I'm always surprised at how courageous
people are in documentaries like this because it does
take (pause) and I got a first hand dose, by myself
being in the film I know just how risky it feels to
put yourself in that position. And I don't put myself
in nearly the same ... you know.
PRESS: Has everyone seen the
film at this point?
SJ: Everyone, but Stevie. He can't see it.
They won't let him see it. They think it would be a
special privilege that they're not willing to
grant.... Strictly on bureaucratic grounds. ... I'm
gonna try again,... even though there's a part of me
that doesn't want him to see it, I mean you know, I
feel I know it's going to be a tough experience and
I'll offer to be there when he does see it, if he
wants me too.
RA: What were the reactions
of the others?
SJ: ... I've been very encouraged by the
reaction. I mean it's a very difficult film for them.
Because it's not the triumph of the human spirit
story ... It's a very hard film. Bernice, Stevie's
mother, we're on very good terms, but she has trouble
talking to me about it. We still have not had a real
conversation about it and I don't know if we ever
will. Brenda, Stevie's sister, says that the film is
very true and accurate and seems to be glad that she
participated. ... At the end of the screening she was
in tears. Tonya spent half the film crying she said.
Wendy, the mother of the victim, was quite eloquent,
which will come as no surprise, about the film. She
talked the most about it and said that it had
sensitively handled the situation and that she'd
learned some things about Stevie.
PRESS: What did you shoot
this on?
SJ: We actually shot the whole thing on
super 16mm, which is odd because it was a mostly
unfunded project. The BBC gave us money -- they were
instrumental. We couldn't get an American broadcaster
to give us money. We shot it on Super 16mm, because a
filmmaker by training,I don't have an attitude about
tape I shoot a lot of things on tape.... I miss not
seeing documentaries on film. It used to be that's
the way they all were. So I wanted to shoot this one
on film because it was gonna be a real modest little
portrait. And I thought I could get away with it
economically. ... Now, when I sit in a theater and
watch it, I think in a weird sort of subliminal way
that these people, their lives are worthy of being a
film. ... Actually, we lost some negatives at the
beginning. So in the fifteen minutes... we had to
take from dailies from betacam. It broke my heart.
But that's what we had to do.
PRESS: Why did she allow him
to baby-sit?
SJ: Yeah, it's something probably I should
have included in the film, because I asked her that
question. She says at the time she didn't know that
history about him. She was unaware of his arrest
record and when she found out ... she felt like a
fool. But that's something of debate... debated in
the family. Since I couldn't really say either way
definitively, I just left it out. ...Well they're
sisters, at the time we encountered them in the film
they were close ... but that changed as a result of
this.
PRESS: What kind of an
impression do you think you made on Stevie in your
previous relationship?
SJ: I didn't know. Which was one of the
motivations about making the movie and going back
because I felt unfinished about the whole thing. I
left there thinking, 'Well, did I do any good?' or
'Shouldn't I feel better about what I just did?' So I
didn't know. But I think I found out during the
course of making the film from him that whatever my
internal wrestling was -- he remembered it quite
fondly. That moment in the car where he recounts how
we used to walk the dogs and making pizza and all
that stuff, you see that these are cherished memories
for him. Someone spent time with him, did things with
him, and that was a rare enough thing that it was
meaningful for him.
PRESS: What do you hope he'll
take away from the film.
SJ: What I pray, is he'd see there'd be two
things: I might amend this later but off the cuff I
would say there are two things that strike me that
would be great. One is, to see just how many people
in his life really cared about him. The foster
parents, his sister, his mother... now, and Tonya, me
and my wife. And the other would be to see this
pattern of not wanting to let go of the past and
wanting to hang on to his rage of the past and not
break with that is so destructive. That he needs to
do that.
RA: Is Tonya still waiting
for Stevie?
SJ: No. She's moved on. She has another
boyfriend. She went to him and told him, in classic
Tonya, 'I'm not going to wait for you. I'm not saying
that when you get out that I'll never see you again.
But I'm going to move on. Pure and Simple.' That
wasn't simple, but she came to some clarity on that
and she has done that.
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